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I had some new sails made by Rolly Taskers Australia, a asymmetric spinnaker ( gennaker) and a 100% hanked on jib with two reefing points.
I purchased a sock for the gennaker for easy deployment single handed and it all worked like a charm. I ran a tackline via a block on the bow leading back to the cockpit along with a tripline attached to the tackle shackle so I could blow the tack from the cockpit in an emergency.
I also ran tacklines for the jib back to the cockpit also.
After a few minor adjustments it all worked very well.
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The original sail plan for my Jim Young 6m shows a set of reef points in the jib, but they were not in the sail I got with it. There was a storm jib instead. Have you tried out the reefing while sailing?

I am interested in the spinnaker sock, the sailmakers' videos show them in use, but the details at top and bottom seem to be a closely guarded secret. I tried making one, but did not get it right.
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Here are drawings of mine from Fareast .
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Between the turning block and shackle holding head of kite is a small SS rod
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My experience is that if the bottom hoop goes vertical it's friction makes sliding down a problem. Top can be a strop not hoop but block need to sit in cradle of it.

Other than that, the up line needs to be outside of sock.
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Ahh. I see the upward control line is in a sleeve on the outside of the sock, but I am a little confused by the "rod" between the head and the turning block. I presume that is just to hold the sail below the bulk of the sock so that it can open properly. Would a stopper knot in the halyard do the same thing?

Roughly what diameter is the ring at the bottom, I think mine may be too small.


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Ahh again, the halyard has nothing to do with that bit. Forget I asked.


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I suppose it depends on sail size, 4-600mm?

I'm sure there's been some innovative solutions - 300mm pvc pipe as a collar, pop in oven and flange open?

A cheap dunny seat?
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Actually the sleeve is on the inside of the sock . Your assumption re the rod is correct. It can swivel allowing the head of the kite to turn if twisted . Not sure which ring you refer to . The kite head ring? I had the continuous line made long enough so that I could operate from cockpit and run the continuous line up under the pulpit rail so that when pulling sock down I release only the sheet and pull down sock. I then release tack line and halyard and pull by sheet back into cockpit/ cabin ready for next hoist or out of the way.
The continuous line on mine is a soft single ply poly/ nylon which is nice to handke but a bit too thick.
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If only running the kite they are very handy, if main is up it's probably easier to just do a normal drop to companionway with a fire line on tack.

I can't remember the last time we flew the kite without having tack on forestay or strop off bow roller.

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Furstin wrote: Jul 25th, '21, 11:07 If only running the kite they are very handy, if main is up it's probably easier to just do a normal drop to companionway with a fire line on tack.

I can't remember the last time we flew the kite without having tack on forestay or strop off bow roller.
I have been very tempted to do away with the sock but I do on occasion have only kite up . .Being solo I find it easier to gybe by pulling sock down. My major gripe is that being a masthead rig the kite masthead block is close to the forestay and the plastic collar to a bit too wide.
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Tezza, I meant the collar, should have looked back at the diagram to check. I used a spare ring for mounting an inspection port 150mm inside diameter, too much friction, and the head of the Assy is quite stiff. What size is your collar?

I put the sleeve for the uphaul on the outside, in a different colour so I could see if it was twisting as I hauled it up.

Most of the sock will work, but I need to find a bigger collar and add more fabric. Like Firstin, I think it might be more trouble than it is worth.


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Don’t know actual diameter and its down in the boat so I can’t measure. The collar is actually stiff poly. I actually found a photo of first time I used it and stuffed it up and could not hoist all the way .The continuous line should be on the inside of the kite. Lesson learnt.
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Thanks Tezza, that looks at least 250mm, possibly the 300 that Furstin suggested. Something to think about.


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Peridot wrote: Jul 25th, '21, 19:41 Thanks Tezza, that looks at least 250mm, possibly the 300 that Furstin suggested. Something to think about.


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Went for sail yesterday and measured up collar.
Oval Shaped, internal dimensions are 15cm x 30 cms. Outer lip 18 x 35
Collar curves out like end of trumpet.
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Was thinking pop a 300mm section of 300mm sewer pipe in oven onto of a tagine top, then push down to flare and round lip. Cool, flip and repeat.

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A hot air paint stripping gun provides a controllable way to (carefully) heat PVC pipe to create new shapes.
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No wonder mine has too much friction. I can see how I could make a collar, but how is the fabric snuffer connected to the collar ?


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The ones you buy from a sailmaker have another lip on the sock side. The snuffer has a pocket with rope inside the pocket which is tightened after the sock is slid over the lip.
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Bought the assy home so took below shots . The bridle is atrached to the collar on three sides only.BTW with the assy that the sock came with it only comes down to the clew .
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Thanks guys, I have a better idea of why mine does not work. Will try again.

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